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I've said similar things, here, before, but this was a relatively fresh insight when a couple more puzzle pieces clicked into place (namely, the pan- and poly- bits)




One: Before the word had a specific connection to sexual orientation and/or gender identity, “Queer” meant “odd” or “askew from the conventional framework,” and was often used to refer to neurodiverse and disabled people.

I am physically disabled, from birth, with a neurologically-caused disability. During my time, growing up, disabled people were (and still are) perceived and treated as if we have no sexual agency or even any sexual aspect at all. This cultural context clouded my own perception of what my orientation actually is.

It is very likely that, even if I were born and grew up able-bodied and neurotypical, I still would have been “not Straight.” But that is a hypothetical that can never be tested. And I know for a fact that the manner of my “not Straightness” has been shaped by my experience as a disabled woman.

So I choose the label “queer” as a form of solidarity with all the ghosts of my disabled forebears, and to express pride in our shared experience of living skewed lives.

Two: Back when I assumed I was straight, and trying (very hard) to form a normal, romantic/sexual/potentially long term, committed, relationship with someone, it was always the men I was corresponding with who broke it off.

And the reasons they (about half a dozen, or so, over the course of many years) gave were nearly identical to each other: That I wasn’t exactly doing anything wrong, and we were compatible in many other ways, but there was just something missing between us, and they couldn’t tell me exactly how to find that missing thing.

(None of us knew the words “aromantic” or “asexual,” I don’t think. I don’t know how things would have gone differently if we had known)

So I accept the label “queer,” because Other People have noticed something odd about me that we couldn’t quite name, that goes beyond my merely having a disability (Which is invisible/irrelevant on the Internet).

Three: Now that I have the words for “Asexual,” “Aromantic.” and “Queer Platonic,” I’ve looked back over my life and recognized all the times I have been in love... But ...

Although I now have words for how I don’t feel attraction, I’m still lacking words for all the different forms of love I have felt, in a way that I can express it without semi-long form essays like this one.

So I use the word “queer” because I realize my experiences are skewed within the framework of my native language, and I don’t really have any other word that fits better.

Date: 2020-01-07 02:07 pm (UTC)
talkswithwind: (autumn)
From: [personal profile] talkswithwind
I sometimes think back and wonder how things might have been different if Ace/Aro had been actually discussed concepts back when my orientation was emerging. It would have helped explain much of my immediate post-college years.

Date: 2020-01-07 04:45 pm (UTC)
sonia: Quilted wall-hanging (Default)
From: [personal profile] sonia
... Huh. Parents being ace/aro was not something I had thought to consider before. Thanks!

And thanks for the whole post. I had someone tell me that putting "queer-friendly" on my website was offensive, so I looked into it, and decided firmly that it was fine. I place myself under the "queer" umbrella, and I want to invite others who do also into my practice.

PS: May I post a link?
Edited Date: 2020-01-07 04:46 pm (UTC)

Date: 2020-01-07 08:14 pm (UTC)
sonia: Quilted wall-hanging (Default)
From: [personal profile] sonia
Those do seem like pretty good clues! "... we could have cats" is adorable.

My parents married in 1965. My mom was 23 and my dad was 28, back from getting his PhD. So not as late as your parents, but my mom did say she was considered an old maid at that point. And I (eldest) wasn't born until 4 years after that. For me it's more the feeling in the house that came to mind, than any specific stories. And my own bumpy history with relationships. They did have two double beds next to each other, instead of one big bed.

Date: 2020-01-08 02:37 am (UTC)
sonia: Quilted wall-hanging (Default)
From: [personal profile] sonia
Yay for supportive parents! We need more good things in the world!

Re: your aside, D: D: D: I knew it was bad, but I didn't know it was that bad!

Date: 2020-01-08 03:12 am (UTC)
soc_puppet: Dreamsheep as Lumpy Space Princess from Adventure Time (Default)
From: [personal profile] soc_puppet
Seconding [personal profile] sonia, because holy crap that is deeply fucked up 😱

Date: 2020-01-22 03:34 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] beatrice_otter
But it's TOTALLY BETTER NOW, you know because most of them don't use "aversives" to punish behavior they don't like (although their professional organization refuses to censure the Judge Rotenburg Center, which DOES still use electric shock)! Instead, what they do, is remove every source of pleasure in the victim's life--favorite foods, clothes they like, toys, everything-- and only dole it out as a reward for compliance during therapy sessions! And the fact that kids then ask for therapy (because it's the only time they are allowed anything pleasurable at all) means that it's totally good for them and not abusive or fucked up at all!

shudders

Oh! And it's not dog training for kids. Not even close. Because, although dog training uses some similar methodology, dog trainers have a code of ethics that requires them to consider if the thing they're training the dog to do is an ethical thing to train them to do, and also if the methods are ethical to use. ABA therapy has no such ethical constraints.

Date: 2020-01-20 09:43 pm (UTC)
alexseanchai: Katsuki Yuuri wearing a blue jacket and his glasses and holding a poodle, in front of the asexual pride flag with a rainbow heart inset. (Default)
From: [personal profile] alexseanchai
—I am eyeing these two comments with a horrified sort of fascination. Because I know why I am thirty-one and unpartnered (guess!), when my sisters are (in ascending age order) partnered, engaged, and married-and-pregnant. But if one were to ask my mother why she didn't get married till a week before she turned thirty, the answer she'd give would have something to do with Dad enlisting in the USAF. (He was at basic training elsewhere in the States for the originally planned wedding date of the June before Mom turned thirty.)

Nothing whatsoever to do with maybe my mother is ace- and/or aro-spec. She's the sort of Catholic who doesn't believe those words mean things.

And like I know she's had sex at least five times? (I'm the oldest of five kids.) But that doesn't exactly rule anything out here?

Date: 2020-01-07 02:52 pm (UTC)
From: [personal profile] cbrachyrhynchos
Great post. My personal perspective is that I use "queer" because these things are messy and intersectional. I've never been bashed in a way that was exclusively about my gender or my sexuality. It's always been both.

And the fact that Queers Read This was distributed the year I chose to come out and do community activism probably helped.

And lately I'm just so frustrated with wank that tries to pick fights between my gender and my sexuality. "Queer" communicates the intersection of anti-femininity and anti-gay prejudice that I have to deal with. It includes the embrace of queer theology, queer theory, and queer art which actively critiques the social construction of sexuality and gender. Lately if I say "bi," many people try to put me in an insulated box of rhetoric. Those people are wrong about "bi," but "queer" outflanks them.

Date: 2020-01-07 04:08 pm (UTC)
moon_custafer: neon cat mask (Default)
From: [personal profile] moon_custafer
Out of curiosity, what’s the flag in your icon? It’s rather striking.

Date: 2020-01-07 05:47 pm (UTC)
moon_custafer: neon cat mask (Default)
From: [personal profile] moon_custafer
Ah, thanks.

Date: 2020-01-08 03:18 am (UTC)
mommy: Wanda Maximoff; Scarlet Witch (Does this look like flirting? It does!)
From: [personal profile] mommy
Thank you for writing this!

I identify as queer, and I'm somewhere on the asexual spectrum. I've had romantic feelings for people of various genders, but none were men as far as I know. I just can't be bothered with the more physical side of things, which occasionally made my twenties (and my DW username) a little awkward. I find queer to be a nice concise way to express myself without going into detail.

I like being a little odd. Queer is comfortable for me.

Date: 2020-01-08 09:03 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] pink_ink
i really enjoyed reading your post!

personally, i also use queer in a similar way. there's just so many ways it intersects with my other identities that ... queer feels like the most concise but also accurate term to use.

Date: 2020-01-09 01:27 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] cesy
Thank you, this was interesting and thought-provoking.

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